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	<title>Comments on: Banning &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243; from my Vocabulary</title>
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		<title>By: henriette weber andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>henriette weber andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am declaring web 2.0 dead after lift07 as well, but I am mostly interested in the transition of the web into 1st life - and even more excited about transiding webcommunities into 1st life.. wrote a ton about it on my blog for the last week...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am declaring web 2.0 dead after lift07 as well, but I am mostly interested in the transition of the web into 1st life &#8211; and even more excited about transiding webcommunities into 1st life.. wrote a ton about it on my blog for the last week&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Kuznicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Kuznicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments, and welcome Danny and Kurt to the Remarkk conversation.

As usual with such things, I tend to go to extremes to make a point: &quot;strong opinions, loosely held.&quot;  Clearly the nuanced arguments here help clarify the picture of where we are in the nomenclature of the web.

In reality, I think we all need to make the point that, whatever we call it, Web 2.0 is People.  People in conversation, people in markets, people seeking themselves and each other in communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments, and welcome Danny and Kurt to the Remarkk conversation.</p>
<p>As usual with such things, I tend to go to extremes to make a point: &#8220;strong opinions, loosely held.&#8221;  Clearly the nuanced arguments here help clarify the picture of where we are in the nomenclature of the web.</p>
<p>In reality, I think we all need to make the point that, whatever we call it, Web 2.0 is People.  People in conversation, people in markets, people seeking themselves and each other in communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Gooden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt Gooden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had the (dis)pleasure of trying to explain Web 2.0 to non-tech-savvy people many many times over the past year. Although I always acknowledged they are related, I have always steered the concentration away from the technology (Ajax etc.) and web design, but more towards the embracing of the power of the social community and utilizing the true value of the web.

I have always viewed 2.0 as society&#039;s second kick at the can. Where we failed in 1.0 with too many over-hyped offerings with little real added value; we as a society are now making up for it with rich, targeted applications that facilitate the sharing of information between people from all over the planet. Where we once thought the web was just another channel like the telephone, we now see it as its own economy where new and exciting business models can exist, not just extensions of brick and morter companies.

I think the separation needs to be clear and that it is imperative to educate those that don&#039;t know that things are different now. The more we can separate ourselves from the poor user experiences and dot-bombs of the past, the better. As over-used as Web 2.0 is, it draws a very clean line in the sand, for both users and investors.

When do we retire it? When ever single person has heard it. I donâ€™t think we are there yet. However, I would definitely stop pitching ideas for a â€œWeb 2.0â€? company to VCs. Target your audience.

Sorry about the rantâ€¦</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had the (dis)pleasure of trying to explain Web 2.0 to non-tech-savvy people many many times over the past year. Although I always acknowledged they are related, I have always steered the concentration away from the technology (Ajax etc.) and web design, but more towards the embracing of the power of the social community and utilizing the true value of the web.</p>
<p>I have always viewed 2.0 as society&#8217;s second kick at the can. Where we failed in 1.0 with too many over-hyped offerings with little real added value; we as a society are now making up for it with rich, targeted applications that facilitate the sharing of information between people from all over the planet. Where we once thought the web was just another channel like the telephone, we now see it as its own economy where new and exciting business models can exist, not just extensions of brick and morter companies.</p>
<p>I think the separation needs to be clear and that it is imperative to educate those that don&#8217;t know that things are different now. The more we can separate ourselves from the poor user experiences and dot-bombs of the past, the better. As over-used as Web 2.0 is, it draws a very clean line in the sand, for both users and investors.</p>
<p>When do we retire it? When ever single person has heard it. I donâ€™t think we are there yet. However, I would definitely stop pitching ideas for a â€œWeb 2.0â€? company to VCs. Target your audience.</p>
<p>Sorry about the rantâ€¦</p>
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		<title>By: Dannie Jost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dannie Jost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A label is sometimes handy. Mark, your observations are good and the zeitgeist is indeed about empowering humans with whatever rudimentary technology we are generating, it is not about the technology. However in the process of evolution, things start rough and dirty sometimes. Web 2.0, a label that I rarely use, is one of those rough and dirty approximations that has allowed us to dwell into it and reflect what it is that this whole internet connectedness is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A label is sometimes handy. Mark, your observations are good and the zeitgeist is indeed about empowering humans with whatever rudimentary technology we are generating, it is not about the technology. However in the process of evolution, things start rough and dirty sometimes. Web 2.0, a label that I rarely use, is one of those rough and dirty approximations that has allowed us to dwell into it and reflect what it is that this whole internet connectedness is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Jayasekera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Jayasekera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a distinction between Web 2.0 (aka the participatory Web, etc.) and a society that is transformed by using it.  If Enterprise 2.0 is the enterprise transformed by the new stuff, perhaps we could talk about Society 2.0, or some other term that doesn&#039;t include &quot;2.0&quot;.

One candidate would be &quot;Information Society&quot;, as it could be argued that this 2.0 thing is just the next step in the ongoing evolution of the Information Society, aka post-industrial society, aka post-modern society, etc.  The impact of computer technology and the Internet before 2.0 came along should not be forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a distinction between Web 2.0 (aka the participatory Web, etc.) and a society that is transformed by using it.  If Enterprise 2.0 is the enterprise transformed by the new stuff, perhaps we could talk about Society 2.0, or some other term that doesn&#8217;t include &#8220;2.0&#8243;.</p>
<p>One candidate would be &#8220;Information Society&#8221;, as it could be argued that this 2.0 thing is just the next step in the ongoing evolution of the Information Society, aka post-industrial society, aka post-modern society, etc.  The impact of computer technology and the Internet before 2.0 came along should not be forgotten.</p>
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