Comments on: Must Read: Progressivism’s End (and renewal) http://remarkk.com/2008/09/02/must-read-progressivism%e2%80%99s-end-and-renewal/ OPEN creative communities Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:46:33 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mark Kuznicki http://remarkk.com/2008/09/02/must-read-progressivism%e2%80%99s-end-and-renewal/comment-page-1/#comment-186198 Mark Kuznicki Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:04:09 +0000 http://remarkk.com/?p=313#comment-186198 I supported the NDP when Jack Layton took the leadership, filled with Obama-esque hopes for change. I retired my short-lived party membership when I realized that it was not going to be a vehicle for change at all. The NDP (and to a lesser extent the Liberals) take exactly the kind of defensive conservative New Deal positions that Eaves/Taylor talk about in the article. And to Josh's point, I think we do have to acknowledge that if you can call something an -ism, it IS an ideology. Of course it is, it's a set of ideas. Ideologies are not bad in themselves, but they should serve some end and when they are no longer useful should be discarded or reimagined and reconfigured. That's what I think we're talking about - the need for new approaches that meld the justice values of the Left with the respect for individual responsibility and entrepreneurship of the Right. Post-ideological is one way of describing a space beyond the traditional Left-Right dichotomy. I supported the NDP when Jack Layton took the leadership, filled with Obama-esque hopes for change. I retired my short-lived party membership when I realized that it was not going to be a vehicle for change at all.

The NDP (and to a lesser extent the Liberals) take exactly the kind of defensive conservative New Deal positions that Eaves/Taylor talk about in the article.

And to Josh’s point, I think we do have to acknowledge that if you can call something an -ism, it IS an ideology. Of course it is, it’s a set of ideas.

Ideologies are not bad in themselves, but they should serve some end and when they are no longer useful should be discarded or reimagined and reconfigured.

That’s what I think we’re talking about – the need for new approaches that meld the justice values of the Left with the respect for individual responsibility and entrepreneurship of the Right. Post-ideological is one way of describing a space beyond the traditional Left-Right dichotomy.

]]> By: Shawn http://remarkk.com/2008/09/02/must-read-progressivism%e2%80%99s-end-and-renewal/comment-page-1/#comment-186149 Shawn Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:44:53 +0000 http://remarkk.com/?p=313#comment-186149 Josh> Hmmm that's what I hear from NDPers when I tell them why I can't vote for them anymore. Nobody is discarding history, but things change, or ships sink. Josh> Hmmm that’s what I hear from NDPers when I tell them why I can’t vote for them anymore. Nobody is discarding history, but things change, or ships sink.

]]> By: Josh Goribund http://remarkk.com/2008/09/02/must-read-progressivism%e2%80%99s-end-and-renewal/comment-page-1/#comment-185489 Josh Goribund Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:28:37 +0000 http://remarkk.com/?p=313#comment-185489 Your post-ideological neo-progressive agenda is actually extremely ideological and neo-liberal. It shocks me as to just how blind you are to your own stridency and rigidity. History cannot be discarded as easily as you like. Your post-ideological neo-progressive agenda is actually extremely ideological and neo-liberal. It shocks me as to just how blind you are to your own stridency and rigidity. History cannot be discarded as easily as you like.

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